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Info-Atari16 Digest         Sat,  8 Feb 92       Volume 92 : Issue  75

Today's Topics:
                     Atari is advertising?!?!!!!!
                        ATTN:  Patrick Haggood
                           Blitter question
                      Circuit drawing programs?
                             Darn brevity
                               datalink
                       For Sale: ATari 1040 STF
                                 FTP
                         PD Fortran compiler?
         Please Educate (soon to be) new Atari user (2 msgs)
                   Postscript on Atari's in general
    STDCAT 5.0b fails on disk volume renaming: ROOT DIR Destroyed
                            ST Hard Disk ?
                     ST WordPerfect discontinued
                     TOS 1.4 ROM problem (2 msgs)
                        TT speed comparison..
                              upgrading
                      uw client VT100 and 4010?
                             VDI question

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Date: 6 Feb 92 17:56:56 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!hsdndev!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!o
 hstpy!miavx1![e-mail]
Subject: Atari is advertising?!?!!!!!
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, moon!cyberden![e-mail]
 writes:
> Edito, ergo sum (I eat, therefore I am)
>
> Atari!?  Advertising!?!?!  For what?  ?  Lynx?  Port?
>                 gotta go! call!
>

Hi...yeah...me...I posted that message...

They advertised up...the ST/TT line for MIDI capabilites...and um...I think the
Portfolio was on the other page of the advert.

Pretty spiffy, huh?


--Dennis

                  also known as...    |   HELLO, I'm a signature virus!
   [e-mail]    |          Join in the fun
   Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum.    |       and copy me into yours!

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Date: 8 Feb 92 05:54:18 GMT
From: nevada.edu!jimi2!equinox!pyramid.cs.unr.edu![e-mail]
Subject: ATTN:  Patrick Haggood
To: [e-mail]

Patrick,

Please contact me ASAP by email; I lost your email address...

     __________                   _______
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   / / L_____    University of  /*     /
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Date: 5 Feb 92 14:47:43 GMT
From: FREIA.INF.TU-DRESDEN.DE![e-mail] (Michael Hohmuth)
Subject: Blitter question
To: [e-mail]

James Diffendaffer writes:

> I have a question about the ST blitter chip.  Is it implemented in a dual
> buss architecture or is it single buss?
> IE.  Can the cpu continue to run code from a secound buss while the blitter
> draws, without waiting or alternating access to the buss with the blitter?

No. While the blitter is working, the cpu is stopped. They both use the same
bus.

Michael
--
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: 8 Feb 92 14:13:09 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!R
 [e-mail] (Roger Sheppard)
Subject: Circuit drawing programs?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael John Dinsmore)
 writes:
>
> Greetings.
>
> I am looking for a program that can draw circuits.  It doesn't
> have to be specifically designed just for electronic cicuits,
> but it should be easy to use and not labor intensive just to make
> the diagram.
> Is there anything out there that does that?  Commercial or PD or
> Shareware?  Any details would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.
>
>     ___  ___
>    /  |\/  |\
>   /   |/   ||  Michael Dinsmore
>  / /|   /| ||  [e-mail]
> /_/ |__/ |_||  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
> \_\/\__\/\_\|  Computer and Systems Engineering

May I sugest MagaPaint or MagaPaint Pro, this is a mono drawing program
and it does have electronic circuit symbols, but you won't find this
program cheap.

It is sold in the USA by CodeHead Software..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      [e-mail]  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***

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Date: 7 Feb 92 20:20:07 GMT
From: ossi!bdt![e-mail] (David Beckemeyer)
Subject: Darn brevity
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 writes:
>I can compile most UNIX stuff on my PC with my Borland compiler w/out much
>in the way of code changes.

Oh really?  Most Unix stuff?  Where you do you get your Unix code?
How about these (all common Unix coding samples):

        pid = fork();

or redirect stdin:

        close(0)
        open(stdin_file, 0);

or simply open a file:

        fd = open("X11.contrib.Z", 0);

or, my favorite (not really specific to Unix, but the lame PC arch):

        cols = 1280;
        rows = 960;
        p = malloc(rows*cols);

etc. etc. etc.

How many code changes will be required to get the above to work with
your PC Borland C?

Don't tell me Borland, or any PC compiler, will compile "most Unix stuff".
Sorry, but I don't buy it.  It's still MS-DOS and the ridiculous PC
architecture under there

--
David Beckemeyer ([e-mail])        | P.O. Box 21575, Oakland, CA 94620
Beckemeyer Development                  | UUCP: uunet!ossi!bdt!david

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Date: 9 Feb 92 10:33:03 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!status![e-mail]
 u (Jon Clarke)
Subject: datalink
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Adam Turnbull) writes:

> Hi,
>       Is it possible to use a datalink between ST's and Amigas? Does
> the cable need to be modified in any way, or is it as I suspect, the
> same?
>
> Adam.
>       (yes, I *really* do want to link to an Amiga)


 Adam,
 Simply get a NULL modem cable. Connect the two ends (one on the Atari one
on the Amiga.. careful an IBM may result) and run the apropriate comms
package on each end and you are all go. If you are going to do a bulk file
transfer may I suggest you use Z*MODEM for this purpose on the ST try using
XYZ2.ttp .

                           _
 Jon Clarke              o( )    STaTus BBS, The Atari BBS in Auckland, NZ
 [e-mail]     /  /\    If that does not work try these address's
 Z*NET PC Global Point    kcbbs.gen.nz!status!jonc or on GEnie : J.CLARKE6
 Auckland, New Zealand    or we are also FIDO Node  3:772/105  FNET:Oneday

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Date: 7 Feb 92 21:15:31 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Vinay Julapalli Rao)
Subject: For Sale: ATari 1040 STF
To: [e-mail]

For Sale:

ATari 1040 ST w/Tos 1.2 and 1 meg


The computer is in excellent condition with documentation and original box.

Asking $260 (includes shipping)



--
*************************************************
Vinay Julapalli Rao         [e-mail]
*************************************************

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Date: 8 Feb 92 00:56:40 GMT
From:
 agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!u
 wm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma![e-mail] (William Magro)
Subject: FTP
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (Roger Sheppard) writes:

|> So how is it that cs.uni-sb.de can have 2 site numbers,,[134.96.7.254] and
|> [134.96.252.31]...???
|>
|> I will try that site again..
|> --
|> ***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      [e-mail]  ***
|> ***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
|> ***  Kapiti                        At least I don't Flicker,         ***
|> ***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***

All gateways have _two_ or more internet numbers.  That is why they are
gateways.  Perhaps cs.uni-sb.de is a gateway.

--Bill

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Date: 7 Feb 92 23:46:45 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx![e-mail] (Timothy Gallivan)
Subject: PD Fortran compiler?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (William
 Rosenkranz) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Hoyt J.
 Heaton) writes:
>> Does anyone out there know of a PD fortran compiler, or have a commercial
>> version they'd be willing to part with?
>
>the GNU project is working on a fortran compiler, tho i have not tracked

[stuff deleted]

>another option is to consider using f2c (fortran-to-C translator). it spits

[more stuff deleted]

There is a fortran compiler on atari.archive in the languages directory.
I think the filename is bcf.lzh. I tried it on a couple of simple
files and it seemed to work OK, although the error messages were in
German I believe. There is no front end (f77), but you can probably
whip up a little script to do the job.

Tim Gallivan
[e-mail]

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Date: 8 Feb 92 02:00:26 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma!wmagro@arizona.
 edu (William Magro)
Subject: Please Educate (soon to be) new Atari user
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (Carter Gregory) writes:
ocessor speed sucks too.  Nobody

|> I would recommend going the SST route, and buying a MEGA STE.  Your gonna end
|> up with a machine that has far more potential than Atari's TT ever will.
|>
|> -Greg

Could you elaborate?  Why does the TT have less potential?

--Bill

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Date: 8 Feb 92 15:03:45 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu
 ![e-mail] (John Dillenburg)
Subject: Please Educate (soon to be) new Atari user
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Carter Gregory) writes:

>I would recommend going the SST route, and buying a MEGA STE.  Your gonna end
>up with a machine that has far more potential than Atari's TT ever will.

  I wouldn't recommend getting a Mega Ste and a SST since they are not
compatible.  The SST is meant for a DIP based 68000 which the Mega Ste doesn't
have.  Dave is planning on making a Mega Ste version of the SST, but then
again he's been planning on doing lots of other things as well.  Your best
SST route would be to find a used Mega ST or 1040ST.  The SST will work with
a 1040 or 520 but you'll have to put the motherboard in a bigger case.

  I had the same choice a couple months back and I opted for the TT :)

--
+-------------------------------------------------------+---------------------+
|  John Dillenburg                                      | "You can't keep a   |
|  Univ. of Illinois at Chicago                         |  man down without   |
|  Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science |  staying down with  |

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Date: 8 Feb 92 00:44:28 GMT
From:
 elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma![e-mail]
 (William Magro)
Subject: Postscript on Atari's in general
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Yelvington)
 writes:
|> [In article <[e-mail]>,
|>      [e-mail] writes ... ]

        (stuff deleted)
|>  >
|>  > It is this sort of arrogance that annoys me.
|>  >
|>  > People want to use Calamus in the real world. This means that we may want
 to
|>  > send our output to printers at work / school or use a typesetter at a
|>  > bureau.
|>  >
|>  > Calamus' page description language may be superior to PostScript, but
|>  > everyone else actually _uses_ PostScript.
        (stuff deleted)
|> If you needed a screwdriver, would you instead buy a socket wrench? If you
|> needed a school bus, would you buy a dump truck?
|>
|> If you must carry PostScript files on a disk to a print shop, then you
|> should buy a page layout program that writes PostScript. Calamus does not.
|> PageStream does. Use the proper tool and perhaps you won't find yourself
|> accusing others of arrogance.
|>
|>  ---
|>  Steve Yelvington

How extraordinarily silly. Screwdrivers and socket wrenches are different
tools, designed to accomplish diffent things, and they operate on different
objects.  Dump trucks and school buses are the same.  One operates on dirt
clods, the other on children, though some people would argue the difference.

Pagestream and Calamus are more like buying a Craftsman vs. a Stanley brand
socket wrench: the grip, feel, and controls may differ, but they operate on
the same objects and try to accomplish the same tasks.  Pagestream and
Calamus are each page layout programs.  They operate on text and graphics
and aim to produce a finished page.  Thus, these are two different implement-
ations of the same tool, which differ in their methods.

The original poster has a legitimate complaint that Calamus does not support
an industry standard page description language, postscript.  The writers of
Calamus, of course, have no obligation to support such a standard, so Steve
is correct in saying that a user who really _needs_ postscript will need
to choose pagestream.  This, however, is not a solution, but only a work-
around for a person who wants Calamus _and_ postscript.

Calamus has done something innovative in creating their own, better page
description language.  It would do them, and atari users, well to see
Calamus downgrade itself and write a postscript file.

Comparing the differences between Pagestream and Calamus to the differences
between a school bus and a dumptruck is not wholly unlike comparing the
human brain to a bowl of Jello, though, again, in some circumstances some
people would argue the difference...

--Bill

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Date: 8 Feb 92 10:37:38 GMT
From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava![e-mail] (Mika Kukkonen)
Subject: STDCAT 5.0b fails on disk volume renaming: ROOT DIR Destroyed
To: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ralph P. Sobek) writes:


>       I ran STDCAT50 under GULAM on a Mega 4 ST with TOS 1.2 and
>with PINHEAD21 installed.  I was surprised at the following behavior
>since STDCAT 4.3 worked *so* well.  It might be my configuration.  It
>might be STDCAT.

..<deleted>....

>2)     Furthermore, the root directory of *ALL* the disks except the
>*first* one were COMPLETELY DESTROYED!  ALL THE DISKS HAD THE SAME
>ROOT DIRECTORY AS THE FIRST DISK!  I am at a loss as how to recover
>the files, as only the directory has been wiped.  The problem would
>also happen when I renamed existing disks!

I checked today my disks, and guess what, eight of them were in same
condition!!! Arggh!! I got 1040STe, so the problem must be in this new
STDCAT version... I bet the programmer of this (in other ways an
exellent program!) must be really happy to that he had that disclaimer
there! <sigh!> luckily the database is good, so I can check what
programs and files I have lost. 8-(

I hope there will be a bugfix, because before that I would not touch
this 5.0 version even with a long pole.


--
Mika Kukkonen = [e-mail]
Trying to learn to live in Helsinki University of Computer Science.
"I am studying, so I am, or am I (studying)?"

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Date: 8 Feb 92 17:00:23 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu![e-mail]
 (Evan Makris)
Subject: ST Hard Disk ?
To: [e-mail]

Hello fellow Atari ST Users.

I wish to add a Hard Disk to my old and trusty 1040STF.
It would have to be at least 20 or 30 Megabytes.
My computer has TOS 1.0
What is the best deal around that you know of (new) ?

If anyone is willing to sell theirs, let me know.
What is a good source of mail order houses for the ST ?
(I think I'd like to upgrade my O.S. also...)

Thank you


--

Evan Makris                         [e-mail]
Boston, Mass.                    [e-mail]

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Date: 7 Feb 92 22:42:50 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uvaar
 pa!software.org![e-mail] (Curt Larock)
Subject: ST WordPerfect discontinued
To: [e-mail]

WordPerfect has announced they're discontinuing development
of the ST version of WP.  They're offering a trade-in for
the Mac or PC version, but it's not cheap - $150.

While not surprising, it's still unfortunate.
--
Curt Larock                     Software Productivity Consortium
[e-mail]             2214 Rock Hill Rd.
                                Herndon VA 22070

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Date: 8 Feb 92 01:04:13 GMT
From:
 arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.
 ohio-state.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma![e-mail]
 (William Magro)
Subject: TOS 1.4 ROM problem
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (HC
 Johnson) writes:

|> There are 6! ways to scramble them.  That makes 15 I think.
|> Write down all the premutations, and try each one.

6! = 720 permutations.  Or is Bell Labs using the 'new math?' :-)

--Bill

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Date: 9 Feb 92 04:47:42 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!darkstar!cats.ucsc.edu!atario@ariz
 ona.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller)
Subject: TOS 1.4 ROM problem
To: [e-mail]

Oooops!!  6! = 720, not 15.  Yikes!  :)
  __
 (_
 __)teve

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Date: 7 Feb 92 14:13:32 GMT
From: ncrcom!ncrlnk!ncrwat!pinot![e-mail] (Chris Herborth)
Subject: TT speed comparison..
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mr
 Stephen R Usher) writes:

}On the Sun, rayshade was compiled using dynamic libraries, the standard Sun
}C compiler with the -O switch.
}
}On the TT rayshade was compiled with GCC 1.40 and mintlib16.

Don't you think you should have compiled both with GCC 1.40 to make things
a little closer?  The Sun C compiler might (probably?) have better
general optimisation, and special optimisation for use on the Sun, while
GCC wouldn't.

}The code was run under MiNT 0.92.

You should probably also NOT run the test under MiNT, since it's not the
native TT operating system.  You didn't run the Sun version under, say,
the Mach kernal, did you?

--
----------======================= _   /\ ===========================----------
Chris Herborth                    \`o.0'       [e-mail]
Information Products Co-Op        =(___)=
NCR E&M Waterloo                     U     Your cash: "Bob"'s favourite snack.

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Date: 8 Feb 92 10:51:14 GMT
From: netcomsv!micromed![e-mail] (Steven Lee)
Subject: upgrading
To: [e-mail]

I'm finally thinking of upgrading my TOS from 1.0 to 1.4.
However, I would like to be able to access 1.0 for certain
programs that require it.  Is there an available disk (like
the one that was initially given when the STs were first
released) that contains TOS 1.0?  Does this prevent me
from using programs that autoboot (a program in the
AUTO folder or a program booting from sector 0)?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail] (Steven Lee)
Micro-Medic BBS                                            [phone]

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Date: 7 Feb 92 23:41:03 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx![e-mail] (Timothy Gallivan)
Subject: uw client VT100 and 4010?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (William E.
 White) writes:
>Does anyone have a patch to the uw client yet for VT100 (ANSI) and/or Tek
>4010 emulation?  It seems kinda silly to go to all the effort, just to
>get an ADM5 (ugh!  Horrible use of bandwidth!  ew!).

I modified the uw source to be compatible with gcc so that I could do
just this. Unfortunately I am not going to have any time in the near
future to actually do it. After looking at the source code, it didn't
look as simple as I had hoped that it might be. I just settled for
fixing up the cursor keys so that they work with emacs and tcsh.

>If not, I can probably write the ANSI w_output() routine (I haven't
>found the input filter yet) if someone out there can integrate it smoothly.
>It's been four years since I did any AES/VDI programming, and I managed
>to lose half my backup disks (including the Atari RCS, tho I still have
>the MW one) in an accident involving a lost disk box and a big motor (don't
>ask).
>
>As for 4010, that'll be a little more work (to say the least) but I might
>give it a try.  Anyone out there interested in working with someone on
>it?  (Probably over the summer; my schedule is busy for the time).

If you ever do any of this (good luck), I would certainly like a copy.

Tim Gallivan
[e-mail]

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Date: 5 Feb 92 14:47:13 GMT
From: FREIA.INF.TU-DRESDEN.DE![e-mail] (Michael Hohmuth)
Subject: VDI question
To: [e-mail]

Hi!

Does anybody of you have any experiences with the VDI "exchange vector"
services vex_timv, vex_butv, vex_motv and vex_curv?  What I don't know is
which parameters expect the interrupt routines that are installed with
these services and what have they got to return.

At the moment, I am writing an AES extension that lets GEM applications
multitask under MiNT.  I need this information cause I consider eventually
rewriting the the whole AES event handler (cause AES busy-waits for events and
takes up a considerable amount of processor time).

Thanks,
Michael
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Internet: [e-mail]

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